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Re: CWC XI

Postby Zankman » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:16 pm

Well, unsurprisingly, I lost.

But, man... Look at this next round!

This is crazy, this is just not O.K. - out of the 7 Honour Teams, SIX are playing against one another! Even worse, the two of the tournament favorites are playing against one another...

Not to request too much, but, man, the seeding/drawing system needs to be adjusted for the next CWC, this is totally bogus.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Ruse » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:26 pm

Victorys are out. Valkyries are out and veelas are out.
My Islanders are my last hope.

Wow tough draws. My islanders luckily gets drawn against the Gryphons from Bronze. Hope i can revenge my veelas.
I would not change anything. I mean it hurts to get drawn early against Honour league teams, but otherwise it gave also smaller teams a chance to get far, which is a positive thing.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Pharaoh97 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:31 pm

As difficult as it is to accept being matched vs the Hood being a Honour league team and seeing a div 4 matchup in the next round, I also remember my run from the last CWC as I was a div 5 team and made it to the round of 16. Big part of that was due to the lucky draws I had. So even if this system isn't in my advantage now I wouldn't change it right now.

However, this CWC was a bit too much. Maybe a system like in pro tennis of a random draw but with top teams with seeds protected from seeing eachother too early would be nice. The randomness would still be here but with at least a just system for the top teams who shouldn't play against before the round of 16 imo. The fact that probably the top two teams in the game are playing eachothers while there is a bronze league matchup in the same round should raise a bit of concerns.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Xter » Mon May 01, 2017 2:04 am

Hamsters avenging their finals loss to the Victory!

Canadiens with the Cupset, and MU is out.


Pharaoh97 wrote:However, this CWC was a bit too much. Maybe a system like in pro tennis of a random draw but with top teams with seeds protected from seeing eachother too early would be nice. The randomness would still be here but with at least a just system for the top teams who shouldn't play against before the round of 16 imo. The fact that probably the top two teams in the game are playing eachothers while there is a bronze league matchup in the same round should raise a bit of concerns.


Yeah, but that makes it TOO easy for top teams and allows some low-seeded teams to luck their way through and become the beloved underdog, even if it is only because of luck.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby MSteele » Mon May 01, 2017 2:09 am

Well, Like predicted, I'm out. In a funny twist of fate, the Glasgow Gryphons, who feature 3 of my former players from the lower league days, have advanced. So I shall bandwagon fan them until their inevitable knockout in the R16 as they play a good team.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Cygnus » Mon May 01, 2017 9:50 pm

Yeah, let's just seed the tournament and have an All-Honour Round of 16. Super fun.

European soccer cup competitions are usually random draws and single-elimination, which makes upsets more likely to happen. Also, you can have big clashes throughout the whole tournament and in the CWC your team has to be prepared for anything and live up to the task, which makes it so hard to win. We've all had our early knockouts in the CWC.

If we look at it right now, probably 5 out of 8 teams in the Quarter Finals will be from Honour, 2 from Gold and 1 from Bronze, which won against a Gold team in the last round.

There are 8 Honour teams left right now and the chance of them getting drawn into separate matches was very low anyways.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Pharaoh97 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:09 pm

Cygnus wrote:Yeah, let's just seed the tournament and have an All-Honour Round of 16. Super fun.

European soccer cup competitions are usually random draws and single-elimination, which makes upsets more likely to happen. Also, you can have big clashes throughout the whole tournament and in the CWC your team has to be prepared for anything and live up to the task, which makes it so hard to win. We've all had our early knockouts in the CWC.

If we look at it right now, probably 5 out of 8 teams in the Quarter Finals will be from Honour, 2 from Gold and 1 from Bronze, which won against a Gold team in the last round.

There are 8 Honour teams left right now and the chance of them getting drawn into separate matches was very low anyways.


Like I said, I dont mind the actual system as it gives some lower teams chances to make some cup runs just like I did when I started. To win the cup you have to face the strongest teams one day anyway. I was just suggesting an alternative to remove the total randomness of the draws. I mean success in all kind of sports and game should not be determined by luck but I also like the fact that their can be suprises and cup runs in the CWC.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Zankman » Tue May 02, 2017 11:45 am

Upsets should happen because it is just Single Elimination and you don't know what can happen.

But this system is silly - yeah, I don't mind the Ro16 being all Honour Teams if they deserve to be there.

I mean: Is this supposed to be a RNG tournament that forces upsets and "le random deep Cup runs" or one that determines who is the best?

IMO it is far too skewered in the favor of RNG/luck at this moment... The League is obviously the primary form of competition and it is supposed to determine the best Team, but the Cup really shouldn't be such a random RNG fest either.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby DarioDiConca » Tue May 02, 2017 10:03 pm

Cygnus wrote:Yeah, let's just seed the tournament and have an All-Honour Round of 16. Super fun.

European soccer cup competitions are usually random draws and single-elimination, which makes upsets more likely to happen. Also, you can have big clashes throughout the whole tournament and in the CWC your team has to be prepared for anything and live up to the task, which makes it so hard to win. We've all had our early knockouts in the CWC. excuse me? xD

If we look at it right now, probably 5 out of 8 teams in the Quarter Finals will be from Honour, 2 from Gold and 1 from Bronze, which won against a Gold team in the last round.

There are 8 Honour teams left right now and the chance of them getting drawn into separate matches was very low anyways.


I like the current system, it gives smaller teams the chance to show their value and being in the spotlight, also it helps to predict which teams have the potential to be successful in the top league. CWC is like a big party where everyone participates, with all the respect, restricting the cup only to honour league would be elitist.
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Re: CWC XI

Postby Ruse » Wed May 03, 2017 12:26 am

Maybe i repeat some meanings,sorry for that.

but what would be the alternative cup rules?
To play it like tennis with seedings?
That would bring very boring first rounds and would eliminate all small teams directly or in 2nd round if some teams reach a cupset.
That doesn´t sound nice for me and in this game it´s not that possible to reach a cupset than it is in rl cups like the german cup in football.

I think the cup should be as it is to gave also small teams a chance to reach higher rounds, cash some money, which they can need much more then old teams and get a well deserved day in the sportlight, where they can make their team a name in the community.

Otherwise why it should be important that a big number of big teams come far? Of cause it´s always nice to come far, but otherwise it hasn´t any effect if you fail in Round 2 or the Round of best 16 except to be more in the spotlight. (what Honourteams are most time in the game)

Of cause RNG plays a role, and last tournaments i had lot´s of luck, but in the final rounds you always have to face good teams who mostly come from Honourleague or have Honourleaguequality squads, so you can´t win the title by winning just against smallteams. You need to beat the best teams to become the best, and that´s why it is a fair tournament.

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